On hiatus

The blog will come back, I don't know when.

Thank you for your support.

- Daniel

PS: As you can probably see, I haven't updated the blog in more than a year, and don't plan to revive it any time soon; thank you for following.

V-v-v-victory!

This is one of the rare cases in which, due to the pressure of the people, an environmental catastrophe was avoided.

Yes.

The Crucitas mining project has been stopped!

See Ilegalidades y daño ambiental hunden plan minero crucitas [ESP, from La Nación.com].

If you've been following my blog, you'd remember the "Land that Hates Nature" entry, and others related to the destruction of nature in Costa Rica.

But finally, the judges decided it was time to stop the cutting of trees and the contamination of the groundwater that passes through that area.

After a long time, the mining project has been stopped!

So all I have to say is

Screw the corporations, screw the politicians, and screw YOU Oscar Arias! ¡Coma mierda! I was very happy when I read that a legal process could be started against "Osquitar". I can only hope that it starts, and if it does, it will have my full support.

This fight has been won, but there's actually a bigger, more worrying and politically threatening one that recently started.

What do you think of Nicaragua invading Costa Rica, a country with no army? (Historically, it was the first one in the world to legally abolish its army.)

And don't forget about Pascua Lama.

Bye!

McDonald's Video Game

Just a quick post for this week.

http://www.mcvideogame.com/

Finally, the ultimate McDonald's Experience! (R) Now when you're not going to their fancy, clean and well-kept restaurants, you can dream that you're there! Or even more, you can manage the company! Starting at the beautiful forests that are cleared for crops (i.e. corn) and cows (牛), and going up the chain to the actual McD's HQ, you can do everything!'

The world is in your hands, conquer it!

Cheers!
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Oh, and maybe you knew about this? Kind of "old" news, but might as well post it.

[Not-so] Breaking News

Hayward: No Fears Over BP's North Sea Drill

Russia, Norway sign border deal for Arctic energy

Denis Dyomkin

After a 40-year dispute, Russia and Norway signed an Arctic border treaty on Wednesday that will pave the way for offshore oil and gas exploration. Skip related content

President Dmitry Medvedev and Norway's Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg presided over the signing in Murmansk, a Barents Sea port city near the Norwegian border north of the Arctic Circle.

The disputed territory covered 175,000 square km (67,600 sq miles), an area about half the size of Germany, mainly in the Barents Sea between proven petroleum reserves on the Russian and Norwegian sides.

"The signing of the agreement, on which negotiations began back in 1970, marks a historic breakthrough in relations," the Kremlin said in a statement. Medvedev and Stoltenberg struck a preliminary deal in April.

"It is a practical example of the principle that all possible disputes in the Arctic should be solved by the Arctic states themselves though negotiations on the basis of existing international law."

Canada, Russia, Norway, the United States and Denmark, the only nations with Arctic coastlines, are racing to file territorial claims over oil, gas and precious metal reserves that could become more accessible as the Arctic ice cap shrinks.

International law states that the five have a 320 km economic zone north of their borders, but Russia is claiming a larger slice based on its contention that the seabed under the Arctic is a continuation of its continental shelf.

(Reporting by Denis Dyomkin, writing by Guy Faulconbridge and Steve Gutterman, editing by Gleb Bryanski)

In Vain: Wayakin

I do apologise to my small legion of readers. I went on a trip to Denver, CO for the ATA (American Translator's Association) conference, and only returned last week. Return to not-so-very-nice times, that is. Lots of emotional and work-related problems, so I haven't felt like writing (even though I've got topics for ca. six entries haha). Hence, I apologise. And now, as I slowly step away from the clutches of limbo, I write, for thee my readers, the post!
PS: I'm now entering the final month of the Uni –here we end in November–, so forgive me if I don't post anything at the end of said month).

In Vain: Wayakin

One time the wind blew free and there
was nothing to break the light of the sun
In a past that is now lost forever
There was a time when land was sacred
and the ancient ones were as one with it
A time when only the children of the Great Spirit
were here. To light their fires in these places with no boundaries
When the forests were as thick as the fur of
the winter bearland and a warrior could walk
from horizon to horizon on the backs of the buffalo
And during that time when there were only simple ways,
I saw with my heart the conflicts to come,
and whether it was to be for good or bad,
what was certain was that there would be chance

Wayakin, summon strength and ward us from evil
Wayakin, a spirit with transformative powers
Wayakin, talisman of superhuman forces
Wayakin, the guardian spirit of the Nez Perce

We look to the bear, the owl and the eagle as our brothers
To teach us how to live
They talk to us, we listen
The bear tells us of our strength
The owl of our wisdom
And the eagle of our freedom
It is time for us to remember

I think it's kind of strange that a Norge (Norwegian) band would deal with topics related to Native Americans. Still, it's brilliant. I love this song because it speaks nothing but the truth. Us, pesky capitalist humans have lost contact with nature. There where times in which we would see the sun, but now it's covered by smog clouds and mile-high buildings. As I am writing this, at night, I hear the sounds of trucks passing by (and some crickets). Before there would be silence, nothing but the sound of those around you and nature. Now, one cannot sleep because of the noise.

Recently there was a massive downpour here in Costa Rica, in which (apparently) 25% of the roads were destroyed (not very good ones, of course. Why do they keep using asphalt instead of concrete? Oh yeah, money and corruption.) and more than 30 people died in Escazú because of a landslide.

But this wasn't the first time it happened. My professor of Spanish, Sr. D. Carlos Monge, told me that he read a document, dated back to 1891, in which a similar landslide occurred. But no one died because there were no houses on the mountain. Our grandparents, and their grandparents, were always in direct contact with nature. They knew were to build houses, where to reside. But as population grew out of control (7 billion now!!!), people started building houses anywhere, and forgot that there are places in which one can't (or at least shouldn't) live. And so, I say,

it is time, for us to remember.

PS: http://www.myspace.com/invainno

Guide to greener electronics! Which company is the greenest? Which one pollutes the most?

As we all know, using computers, and all that incredibly-brilliant technology we all love, pollutes the planet (in the sense that all technological devices require energy to be used, and most of that energy comes from fossil fuels –i.e. petrol–). Yes, even listening to a folk metal band talking about nature pollutes the planet (ironic, is it not?) . I'm not here to say that you should stop listening to nature-loving Folk/Black/Acoustic Metal; au contraire, I think you should do it more! (When is the last time YOU heard Borknagar?) However, you should know which are the companies that are polluting the most when making the products you (and I love). In this link you can check everything that the companies are (not) doing to keep the world a green place. There's a PDF version available for download, try reading it.

Winner: NOKIA.

Finns do really love nature! Congratulations to the land of wolves! Finland is a great example to how Latin-American countries should be: It moved from an agriculture-based society to one of the most developed countries of the world. The answer, the key, to everything? A large investment in EDUCATION and a huge respect for professors and nature (most of the country is still virgin forests).

Nokia7.5
15th Edition, May 2010

Nokia stays in 1st place with a slightly increased score of 7.5, up from 7.3. It gains points for achieving its goal of phasing out brominated compounds, chlorinated flame retardants and antimony trioxide in all new models of products and for its CEO’s statement in support of 30% cuts in greenhouse gas emissions in industrialised countries by 2020. However, despite Nokia’s support for further restrictions for chlorinated and brominated substances in legislation, it loses a point on its position on the RoHS (Restriction of Hazardous Substances in electronics) Directive, as it does not openly support restrictions on at least PVC vinyl plastic, chlorinated flame retardants (CFRs) and brominated flame retardants (BFRs) in the next 3-5 years i.e. in RoHS 2.0.

Loser: NINTENDO.

The biggest characteristic of Japan, I believe, is its double morale. They state that they love nature, but the reality is much, much more different. As the country becomes (or is?) the third largest economy of the world, swiftly beaten by China (despite the "housing bubble" of the latter), will 日本 , the Land of the Rising Sun, continue to destroy their forests in order to follow a Western-capitalist, consumerist, empty way of life?

"

Nintendo1.8
15th Edition, May 2010

Nintendo remains in last place but has increased its score to 1.8 out of 10, up from 1.4. It gains points for adopting the precautionary principle in its approach to managing chemical substances and for publishing its Standards for chemicals management.

Nintendo scores most points on chemicals; it has put games consoles on the market that have PVC-free internal wiring. It has banned phthalates and is monitoring use of antimony and beryllium. Although it is endeavouring to eliminate the use of PVC, it has not set a timeline for its phase-out.

It continues to score zero on all e-waste criteria.

It scores points on energy criteria, for the energy efficiency of its low power AC adaptor for the Nintendo DSi, which meets the requirements for external power supplies in the Energy Star programme. It also retains a point on energy for disclosing carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from its own operations. However, it fails to score for its commitment to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, due to a second year of increases, despite a commitment to cut CO2 emissions and other greenhouse gases by 2 percent over each previous year. Emissions in 2007 increased by 1.5 percent compared to 2006, following a rise of 6 percent in 2006".

As a side note, since I'm using a latest-generation 3.6 GHZ iMac to type this, I might as well include the score that Apple obtained. Read it, and compare it with the environmental part of the nice and brain-washing ads that they Mr Jobs releases.

Apple4.9
15th Edition, May 2010

Apple remains in 5th place, with a slightly reduced score of 4.9, down from 5.1 points in version 14. It loses a point for lack of transparency in its reporting on its use of renewable energy.

Apple does best on the toxic chemicals criteria, where it scores most of its points. All Apple products are now free of PVC vinyl plastic and brominated flame retardants (BFRs), with the exception of PVC-free power cords in countries where their safety certification process is still ongoing. For this Apple continues to score full marks (doubled). Apple scores points for its chemicals policy informed by the precautionary principle and for lobbying the EU institutions for a ban on PVC, chlorinated flame retardants and BFRs during the current revision of the EU’s RoHS Directive (Restriction of Hazardous Substances in electronics), but for full marks it needs to provide a public position on its support for immediate restrictions in RoHS 2.0 on organo- chlorine and bromine compounds. It also needs to clarify its stance regarding the position of the trade federation TechAmerica on further immediate restrictions and in particular PVC and BFRs. Apple scores only one point on information about its management of chemicals and its supply chain communications; this criterion evaluates disclosure of information flow in the supply chain. Apple also continues to score poorly for the minimal information it provides about its future toxic chemical phase-out plans.[For a company that spends so much on ads, they sure do not tell people about their lack of disclosure of information.]

Zwanzig Jahre, Deutschland!

Jetzt bin ich glückselig, DL ist heute 20 Jahre alt!

Aber heute müssen wir über die aktuelles Situation anbelangen die Natur nachdenken, und was kann wir um die Wälder zu helfen tun.

Was würde Goethe sagen…, wenn wir keinen Gipfeln haben?



Über allen Gipfeln
Ist Ruh,
In allen Wipfeln
Spürest du
Kaum einen Hauch;
Die Vögelein schweigen im Walde.
Warte nur, balde
Ruhest du auch.

- Goethe

Für Ohpa (RIP).

Berserk

On a side note, I am really happy that a new BERSERK anime is coming out!

Check this link in order to see the new animation.

By the by, I remember the Getter Robo producer saying (when he came here to CR) that if you took all the manga produced in Japan in a month, and placed them in a straight line, said line would be more than 1000 km long.

Makes you think about the amount of paper that is used for our geeky needs.

RIP The Colorado River

I just received the latest Smithsonian issue, and I finally have an "urge" to start reading the mag again (the past 3 or 4 issues were not even touched, Wired is much better, without doubt).

The Colorado river is dead. Its waters no longer reach the ocean. Its waters are diverted for crops. The river will die.

Here you can see some gruesome pictures of the river. Its amazing (or maybe not) to see how the river is simply killed to satisfy the population of and the US life-style. Perhaps, one day, when everything goes to hell, people will say: "Maybe we should have done more".

Because remember, nature will live on (albeit with a lot less species…), but mankind will die.

Current population: 6.5 billion
Population after petrol is "extinct": 2 billion

Makes you think about a lot of stuff, does it not?

Rivers are very metal. They can be tranquil, or they can drawn you in their might. It is like with Cynic, calm at Evolutionary Sleep, rapid at Integral Birth.

Comment!

PS: Here is the Smithsonian article.

Thinking Allowed, Japan, Crucitas

The other day I was listening to the "Thinking Allowed" podcast from the BBC, and they mentioned some of the consequences of climate change.

New fact: If the ice caps continue melting, Canada will gain a lot of new territory.

On another note, The Land of the Rising Sun (i.e. Japan) has, obviously, allowed for the dolphin slaughter to continue. This can only be expected, as the Japanese government is one of the most corrupt and does not really care about nature. Do note that Japan changes its leader almost every two years, hence making the country very unstable. (There have been more than 53 PMs since WWII.) Here's an extract from the Save Japan Dolphins Blog:
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It’s with a heavy heart that I write today’s post. Despite all our efforts and despite the worldwide condemnation of the cruel dolphin slaughter, the Japanese government remains defiant and has allowed the first dolphin kill of this season at Taiji.

This defies all logic, both because of the brutal inhumane abuse of dolphins and because it is now proved that the dolphin meat is poison -- containing dangerous levels of mercury.

--

Here in Costa Rica, a land known for its corrupt governments, the fight for Crucitas continues.
Keep it up, everyone!

Forum discussion

Hello all,

This is an interesting forum discussion (from the Mr V forum). I post it here now (do note that I am "Defiance"), and do add to the discussion if you want to.

Originally Posted by Djöfull Wellit's one of the most expensive country in Europe along with Norway.. and more expensive since the financial crisis. Food prices have nearly doubled.. Both houses and apartments.. The major city area has been getting denser, but there are some green areas in between. Yes it's a wise choice. We have used some of the high pressure areas and now there is a debate to use more of them due to the crisis, but it may be too risky financially and there are some delicate, pristine areas in danger. Bleurgh! Sea Sheperd.. They are hated in the Faroes and Iceland. It's hypocritical to be tolerant of eating cows and sheep and not whales. These whales stranded and were bound for a long painful death. The method of killing is a special knife that rips through the spinal chord ensuring that the animals die instantly(most of the time). Yeah Iceland was hit really hard by the "financial crisis", especially because of the banks. Basically some guys stole a lot of money, and there was no control whatsoever of the loans. However, since Iceland (Scandinavia in general) are some of the few countries (only ones?) in the world were the people have actual power; the problems with the banking system were quickly corrected, which is, I believe, admirable. I do agree with the methods that the Sea Shepherd uses, despite it's growing popularity. However, I don't agree with the way food (i.e. cows) is managed in the U.S. My point is: 1) Iceland, Norway, Japan and related countries should not kill whales because most of them are endangered. It was fine to do it before, but not now when there's such immense human over-population and so few whales. 2) The US has probably the WORST food industry in the world concerning pollution and the destruction of the environment. I suggest watching Food Inc. to see how things are there. To put it short, cows are fed the king of kings, corn, instead of grass. They're kept in small corrals, essentially crapping on each other. In the documentary that I mentioned before you can see the cows living/walking with crap up to their knees. So both parts are wrong, Iceland shouldn't kill whales, and the US should control their over-population and their food industry. Quote: Originally Posted by lefay82 yes, i've heard you suffered a lot from the crisis. and i knew also that iceland is pretty expensive (i suppose it's also because it's an island and a lot of goods must be imported from the continent) what i really meant to ask is: is this expensiveness rightly compared with salaries or not? i mean, are you able to live with high or low life standars? are salaries enought high to live there or you have to struggle to reach the end of the month? this is a problem we have here in italy. even if life is less expensive than in other european countries, like scandinavian ones, we have very low salaries, and there's a deep gap between life cost and people's real possibilities. the euro have destroyed partially our economy, because prices have doubled and salaries have remained the same, only converted in the new money. so...on balance it's like our salaries have been halved. I really doubt that most Scandinavians have problems "reaching" the end of the month, perhaps Sweden a bit (since it was hit a bit with the financial crisis). Those are truly developed countries, and I'm sure most people have high living standards. Yeah the Euro destroyed Greece, Italia and España. It was, au fond, a way to exercise political dominion over "less-prepared" countries, such as the ones I mentioned before. It was, fundamentally, a way for Germany and France to conquer Europe (sorry! ). I've been to Italia, and it was the closest to a 3rd-world country that I saw in Europe; España is much better off to be honest (despite having 20% unemployment). __________________ My music collection! My pics My new blog: Metalheads Pro Nature (Updated weekly!) Preserveplanet No to Pascualama Word-a Day Wonder (Subscribe!) 'Earth, my dearest, oh believe me, you no longer need your springtimes to win me over… Unspeakably, I have belonged to you from the flush'. - Rainer Maria Rilke

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September 17th, 2010, 06:05 AM	#2074 (permalink)
Djöfull Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Iceland Posts: 1,374	You are regurgitating senseless propaganda. Most whales are not endangered. Some baleen/mysticeti are and a few odontoceti/tooth whale are. The mink whale that Iceland, Japan and Norway(exclusively) hunt has never been considered endangered and has a population of at least 100.000 in the northeast Atlantic and worldwide.. who knows. The yearly hunt is about 150 in Iceland. The same number goes for the fin whale which has been recently hunted. That is controversial as some consider it endangered. However the population has recovered in recent decades. The pilot whale that the faroese hunt is in the hundreds of thousands in the northeast Atlantic. The sea covers 70% of the surface of the earth... and the few countries that do hunt(Iceland, Norway, Japan, Greenland + some indigenous groups in Canada and the US that hunt within an allocated quota from the IWC) do so around the seas of their country. Indonesia is the only country in the Southern Hemisphere with a whaling industry and many species are present in most of the earth's ocean. What has human overpopulation has to do with whaling? Most countries do neither hunt nor eat whales. The US is a big country, so I can't see why you see an overpopulation there... I haven't seen Food. Inc. Been meaning to It is built upon the book The omnivores dilemma I read. Regarding the financial crisis. I haven't heard that Sweden was hit by the crisis more than other countries. And the banking system in Iceland was kind of rebuilt but people are still struggling with loans that are tied to the inflation. Banks changed executives and names.. but people don't trust them entirely. __________________ but life's not a wheel with chains made of steel... Last edited by Djöfull : September 17th, 2010 at 06:30 AM.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Djöfull You are regurgitating senseless propaganda. Most whales are not endangered. Some baleen/mysticeti are and a few odontoceti/tooth whale are. The mink whale that Iceland, Japan and Norway(exclusively) hunt has never been considered endangered and has a population of at least 100.000 in the northeast Atlantic and worldwide.. who knows. The yearly hunt is about 150 in Iceland. The same number goes for the fin whale which has been recently hunted. That is controversial as some consider it endangered. However the population has recovered in recent decades. The pilot whale that the faroese hunt is in the hundreds of thousands in the northeast Atlantic. The sea covers 70% of the surface of the earth... and the few countries that do hunt(Iceland, Norway, Japan, Greenland + some indigenous groups in Canada and the US that hunt within an allocated quota from the IWC) do so around the seas of their country. Indonesia is the only country in the Southern Hemisphere with a whaling industry and many species are present in most of the earth's ocean. What has human overpopulation has to do with whaling? Most countries do neither hunt nor eat whales. The US is a big country, so I can't see why you see an overpopulation there... I haven't seen Food. Inc. Been meaning to It is built upon the book The omnivores dilemma I read. Regarding the financial crisis. I haven't heard that Sweden was hit by the crisis more than other countries. And the banking system in Iceland was kind of rebuilt but people are still struggling with loans that are tied to the inflation. Banks changed executives and names.. but people don't trust them entirely. It's not senseless propaganda. Around the seas of their country? Please, Japan has had constant problems with Australia because the Australians have caught Jap boats fishing in Australian waters. I admit I didn't know much about the types of whales killed in Scandinavia, I'll look up more info on that. Still, a lot of whales are endangered. Not all, but a lot. Blah, so you're one of those people that think that over-population means that "whether people can fit in a place or not"? That's a very ignorant perception. Remember that it's not really about that, but about the resources that exist in the planet (food, petrol) too keep those people and their living standards alive. Example? I simply wonder how the heck will Iceland survive without petrol. Considering how it was affected by the recent crisis, I can't imagine how you'll survive when there's not a drop left. On the financial crisis (FC), the thing was that (I think) on the DT forum someone said that Sweden was having a tough time due to the FC, but I don't know whether it was true or not. I'm pretty sure Iceland was hit a lot more, though. Yeah the banks changed a lot, which is good (that wouldn't happen anywhere in the world), but obviously people aren't going to trust them so much anymore. __________________

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Djöfull Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Iceland Posts: 1,374	The japanese violating international law is a valid point. But that does'nt change the fact that they mostly hunt mink whales and a vast area of the ocean is unaffected by whaling. The whaling nations are what 5 and maybe 5 indigenous groups that hunt occasionally.. that is out of 200 nations. Figures from a few years ago show that 16% of whales are endangered. The numbers hunted are improbable to affect the sustainability of most of the species hunted by the "major" whaling nations. I didn't realise you were talking about overpopulation in regard to the overconsumption of resources. Quote: I simply wonder how the heck will Iceland survive without petrol. Considering how it was affected by the recent crisis, I can't imagine how you'll survive when there's not a drop left. Well... there are some decades left until that happens.. maybe more. Anyway there has been an experiment here on hydrogen buses. Also electric cars( they have to be charged often compared to petrol). Then there are "twin" cars that alternate between petrol and electricity. __________________ but life's not a wheel with chains made of steel... Last edited by Djöfull : September 17th, 2010 at 06:03 PM.

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lefay82 Per aspera ad astra Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: italy Posts: 1,471	i think it sounds strange to us because we're not used to eat whale's meat but you should keep in mind that this use belongs from a long time to those folk who hunt them, at least they kill them for food.... if you really care about animal than you should not eat also foie gras (which is obtainted by a forced overfeeding that procures illnesses to duck's livers, they are feeded by a tube which is forced into their throats) or you should not use some cometics products tested on animals, or should not wear leathers or furs....people illtreats animals in so many ways nowadays __________________

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Agah Zombie Jesus Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Jørpeland - Norway Posts: 567	For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three. Humans are omnivores, deal with it. __________________ Fader Frost visar ingen nåd kall men rättvis är hans filosofi: Varen ödmjuk eller förgås, i hans rike av snö och is! Last.FM

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Thidrek Dichter (und) Denker Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany Posts: 1,245	Quote: Originally Posted by Agah For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three. Humans are omnivores, deal with it. Yes, we are. But the meat industry is just disgusting. I'm not vegetarian, so as a consumer I'm a part of it as well, but I at least try to only buy organic meat. That's a thing I can live with for now. __________________ E ä e å å i å ä e ö.

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Defiance 子連れ狼 　 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In a 'Supermassive Black Hole', or San José, Costa Rica Posts: 3,098	Quote: Originally Posted by Djöfull The japanese violating international law is a valid point. But that does'nt change the fact that they mostly hunt mink whales and a vast area of the ocean is unaffected by whaling. The whaling nations are what 5 and maybe 5 indigenous groups that hunt occasionally.. that is out of 200 nations. Figures from a few years ago show that 16% of whales are endangered. The numbers hunted are improbable to affect the sustainability of most of the species hunted by the "major" whaling nations. I didn't realise you were talking about overpopulation in regard to the overconsumption of resources. Well... there are some decades left until that happens.. maybe more. Anyway there has been an experiment here on hydrogen buses. Also electric cars( they have to be charged often compared to petrol). Then there are "twin" cars that alternate between petrol and electricity. Indeed, of all the whaling countries, Japan is the worst. They use "culture" and related excuses in order to go over-seas and kill endangered whales. 16% is a lot, whales are wonderful mammals and humans suck for killing them. Well, over-population = over-consumption of resources. Of course, even if there's no over-pop there can still be over-consumption of resources. I think that the real petrol crisis will start ca. 2030, but little action is being taken in order to avoid that. Which is good because world population right now is 6 bil., but when we run out of petrol the world, with today's living standards, will be able to sustain only 2 bil. (source: Life without Oil, A Crude Awakening). Quote: Originally Posted by Agah For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three. Humans are omnivores, deal with it. I'm not saying we're not, I think that being a vegetarian is BS. I believe that humans evolved a lot when they started eating meat (or maybe it was the monolith… ), and meat is necessary in order to survive. Quote: Originally Posted by Thidrek Yes, we are. But the meat industry is just disgusting. I'm not vegetarian, so as a consumer I'm a part of it as well, but I at least try to only buy organic meat. That's a thing I can live with for now. Indeed, it's not about eating cows or not; it's about the industry's standards, how they feed and treat the animals. Again, in the US cows are over-fed with corn (whatever happened to good ol' grass?), living in their own faeces up to their knees. So no, it's not about the cows, it's everything that happens in order for you to have that tasty hamburger in your plate. __________________ My music collection! My pics My new blog: Metalheads Pro Nature (Updated weekly!) Preserveplanet No to Pascualama Word-a Day Wonder (Subscribe!) 'Earth, my dearest, oh believe me, you no longer need your springtimes to win me over… Unspeakably, I have belonged to you from the flush'. - Rainer Maria Rilke

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Windvang Dark Folk Rocker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Zwolle, The Netherlands Posts: 141	Quote: Originally Posted by Agah For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three. Humans are omnivores, deal with it. superficial... Agreed with Defiance about how to treat animals before eating them. It's all about the industry standards. But also about the consumer! People eat much more meat then they need. Being a capitalistic society the consumer have to decide to eat much less meat, and also organic! __________________ Listen to my music at: WWW.STORMSTERK.COM Debut-album out now. Also available as free download! WWW.FAELWA.COM Still a few copies left from our EP WWW.MYSPACE.COM/MARKKWINT My personal Myspace

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Defiance 子連れ狼 　 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In a 'Supermassive Black Hole', or San José, Costa Rica Posts: 3,098	Quote: Originally Posted by Windvang superficial... Agreed with Defiance about how to treat animals before eating them. It's all about the industry standards. But also about the consumer! People eat much more meat then they need. Being a capitalistic society the consumer have to decide to eat much less meat, and also organic! Indeed! The industry;s standards are basically non-existent; it's amazing how (at least in the US) the meat market is controlled by ca. three different companies! You'll have all these diverse types of packages with beef in them, but in reality most of them come from the same place; they just have a different design. It's also very true that people should eat much less meat! I used to eat meat twice per day, and that obviously wasn't very healthy. And in that way I was supporting a corrupt industry with no standards whatsoever and polluting the planet a lot more than necessary. Everyone should really watch King Corn and Food Inc., the latter is especially an eye-opener. Now that I'm going to the US in October, I wonder what the fuck I'll eat because I'm sure scared as hell of eating meat there, and I'm not a vegetarian. I'll guess potatoes will have to do . __________________ My music collection! My pics My new blog: Metalheads Pro Nature (Updated weekly!) Preserveplanet No to Pascualama Word-a Day Wonder (Subscribe!) 'Earth, my dearest, oh believe me, you no longer need your springtimes to win me over… Unspeakably, I have belonged to you from the flush'. - Rainer Maria Rilke

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Windvang Dark Folk Rocker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Zwolle, The Netherlands Posts: 141	Is it hard to get organic meat in the US, Defiance? I do eat meat. But it must be organic. Most of the time I having a hard time to explain organic meat to people. Why is it so difficult to understand for people. It's really like they don't want to know the truth, which is maybe quite understandable. The truth is just to dark and nasty. Hehe I was wondering if Andreas eat meat. You know, in the Borknagar diary video some of the members are making a barbecue. Mr. V is there too and he looks like me when my friends are having a barbecue, he seems to don't like it __________________ Listen to my music at: WWW.STORMSTERK.COM Debut-album out now. Also available as free download! WWW.FAELWA.COM Still a few copies left from our EP WWW.MYSPACE.COM/MARKKWINT My personal Myspace

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Defiance 子連れ狼 　 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In a 'Supermassive Black Hole', or San José, Costa Rica Posts: 3,098	Quote: Originally Posted by Windvang Is it hard to get organic meat in the US, Defiance? I do eat meat. But it must be organic. Most of the time I having a hard time to explain organic meat to people. Why is it so difficult to understand for people. It's really like they don't want to know the truth, which is maybe quite understandable. The truth is just to dark and nasty. Hehe I was wondering if Andreas eats meat. You know, in the Borknagar video diary some of the members are making a barbecue. Mr. V is there too and he looks like me when my friends are having a barbecue, he doesn't seem to like it. I've no idea, to be honest. Simply put, Food Inc. really bloody freaked me out; I'm just thinking of those damn E-coli (Escherichia coli) outbreaks. I only eat organic food, no pesticides and the likes. Yes, truth is horrible, but one must confront it in order to lead healthier/better lives and make this a better world. Yeah haha, Andreas doesn't look like much of a meat-eater; I wouldn't be surprised if he's veggie. (Made some corrections to your post. Sorry, couldn't help myself.) __________________ My music collection! My pics My new blog: Metalheads Pro Nature (Updated weekly!) Preserveplanet No to Pascualama Word-a Day Wonder (Subscribe!) 'Earth, my dearest, oh believe me, you no longer need your springtimes to win me over… Unspeakably, I have belonged to you from the flush'. - Rainer Maria Rilke

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